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Altium napada Eagle

Postby elektor » 23-08-2014, 23:57

Eto da ubijem malo monotoniju na forumu...
Za one koji još neznaju Altium je u ovogodišnjem planu objavio da se planira uključiti u (pa i preuzeti) tržište koje čine hobisti, open source hardware i poluprofesionalci u kojemu Eagle vodi glavnu riječ.
Vjerovatno zbog sve većeg utjecaja crowdfunding kampanija i prelazak hobi projekata u komercijalne vode.
Odmah su krenule mnoge rasprave i špekulacije na koji to način žele izvesti. Ogoljena verzija Altium Designera, potpuno novi software?
Besplatna verzija, kolike cijene? Mogućnosti, user interface..?
Nakraju je sve to nekako zamrlo, Altium zašutio i izgledalo je kako od svega toga neće biti ništa..
Sve do nedavno kada su stigle neke informacije iz prve ruke.
Altium radi na novom programu za kojega bi između ostaloga trebala postojati i besplatna verzija, te bi trebao biti jednostavniji za korištenje od samoga Altium designera. Sam Designer su smatrali prezahtjevnim za savladavanje za potrebe takvog tržišta i vjerovatno su u pravu.
Više informacija ovdje: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-527-altium-entry-level-pcb-tool-rant/360/
Ako naprave stvari kako treba mogli bi dobro pomutiti računicu Eagleu..Baš me zanima što će nakraju ispasti od svega i kakav će program zaista biti.
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby trax » 25-08-2014, 07:20

Ostaje da vidimo. Ako bude pretezak za nauciti ili ako ne budem dobio nesto sto vec nemam u Eagle-u sumnjam da cu ga poceti koristiti. :wink:
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby elektor » 25-08-2014, 20:40

Vjerujem da će im razvoj UI biti najveći izazov.
Napraviti ga jednostavnog i lakog za učenje, a po mogučnosti da se korisnici Eagle mogu brzo prebaciti i uhodati. Naravno vjerovatno im je bitan i lagan prijelaz s tog paketa na Altium Designer, ipak im je to glavni izvor prihoda i košta cca. 10k USD bez pretplata.
Eagle ima neke svoje mušice na koje se treba naučiti, dosta stvari treba rješiti "varanjem" no bez obzira na to radi besprijekorno.
Sada je sve na Altiumu i koje će sve opcije nuditi.
Ukoliko uključe 3D View iz Designera, interaktivno routanje i diff parice postoji i slične sitnice velika šansa da će Eagle za mene biti prošlost. 3D view bi bio vreliki plus. Zna biti veoma koristan, pogotovo ako se radi neki prijenosni uređaj gdje je sve zgurano, pošto se može dodati i 3D izgled kučišta. Onda se sve može posložiti i vidjeti da paše bez da se ima sklop ili kučište.
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby yt1nvs » 25-08-2014, 23:20

Da vidimo na sta ce to da lici,mada ja koristim altium vec duze vreme i nekako se snalazim u njemu,
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby elektor » 21-09-2014, 14:47

Software će se zvati "CircuitMaker"...
http://circuitmaker.com/#why_circuitmaker
Dodatnih informacija i screenshotova ima ovdje, za one kojih interesira: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/altium/free-altium-is-coming/

Neke osnovne informacija, da se ne mora kopati po temi...
Have had another talk and demo with Altium
Some answers to some questions:

- NO, you will not be able to save files locally, they must be stored online in the cloud. Yes, that sucks. But it is most certainly a PC based program, nothing web based. The whole idea behind this is to encourage and share projects and libraries online. There will be lots of community power in the program to do this I can't talk about quite yet. Suffice it to say that the community is the cornerstone of the entire concept of the tool. If you are after a standalone PCB program to use in your own little offline world, this isn't going to be for you.
They clearly want to take on Eagle and the likes of Upverter in one hit.
It might be usable off-line, but the initial version won't be, you have to save files online.

- fr*e version will have restrictions in total board area (not fixed like Eagle!), nets, layers, and components. The big attraction is you'll be able to rent extra capability easily for a period of time to get a project done, for a reasonably small amount. Kinda like an app model. And if you finish your project early you'll be able to get a credit back and use toward another feature, useful if your projects requirements change all the time.

- Differences from AD will revolve around design productivity. So it won't have the likes of push'n'shove, multi-channel, and other things in AD that save you time.

- YES, the fr*e version can be used for commercial projects.

- YES it will have 3D, and most other PCB/Schematic/Library creation features you are used to in AD.

- NO, it's not limited to single sheet, only those restrictions mentioned above.

- NO, they are not restricting you to PCB house or whatever. YES you are fr*e to export and download your gerbers as per usual.

- YES, file and library compatibility with AD will remain.

- NO, it will not include the libraries that Altium offer in AD subscription, but will be seeded with a whole bunch of components. Once again, can't talk too much about this yet.

- An Eagle importer will be available (no export) first up, with others to likely follow based on what people ask for most.

- AD will import these projects, but not vice-versa. So you can use this and then step up to AD, but not go backwards.

- Hot keys will likely be different to AD, as will the GUI and menu system, but actual appearance and functionality overall is pretty close to AD. Many dialog boxes I saw in the demo are practically identical

- YES, there will be BOM export similar to how AD works now.

- YES, it will have the AD spice simulation engine (no improvements, but maybe a bit easier?)

- NO, no Linux support , Windows only. It requires substantial effort to port and support other OS's.

- YES, projects created in paid for versions can be viewed in the fr*e version.

- The fr*e version will have a limit on how many projects you can keep "private". You can pay for more private projects. Once again the emphasis is on encouraging open projects and sharing with the community. Yes you'll be able to work on your project privately until it's released though.

- Still party written in Delphi, with lots of C# and C++, and yes, obviously shares lots of code with AD.

- YES they will have training videos.

Bare in mind that the program will be entering beta testing next week, and many of these could change in the release based on responses. It will be very much driven by community beta testing feedback.

Sve u svemu ne izgleda loše, ali ako ostanu pri retardiranoj "samo cloud" ideji Eagle ipak ostaje moj prvi izbor.
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby Zez » 21-09-2014, 20:57

Da nije to CircuitMaker 2000 u novoj obleki? Samo ovaj puta bez obaveznog prilaganja argumenata iskazanih u dolarima.
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby elektor » 22-09-2014, 13:25

Po dosadašnjim informacijama jedina veza s CircuitMakerom je ime. Kod je navodno sastoji od novo pisanog koda i djelova ogoljenog koda Altium Designera.
Koliko im odabir imena pametna odluka tek će se vidjeti. Stranicu programa u razvoju je teško i pronaći uz sve silne linkove i informacije za CircuitMaker 2000.
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby Zez » 22-09-2014, 22:12

Živi bili pa vidjeli! Mada sam prilično skeptičan.
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby trax » 25-09-2014, 07:18

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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby Zez » 25-09-2014, 21:04

I, jesi li im se javio? :P
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Re: Altium napada Eagle

Postby djukazo » 03-11-2014, 18:11

..."CircuitMaker will be fr*e to start"... nešto mi ovo dođe poznato... hmmm :cry:
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